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		<title>by: Donncha O Caoimh</title>
		<link>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13475</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have to admit the same - I've had more interaction with people I've met online than those I met at the club (outside of the regular meetings). Part of it is because there are more &quot;leaders&quot; online because the population is larger. At a club there's a committee and 'the old guys' and I guess people are intimidated into not organising things. That's one reason I'm organising a photowalk for June 8th :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit the same - I&#8217;ve had more interaction with people I&#8217;ve met online than those I met at the club (outside of the regular meetings). Part of it is because there are more &#8220;leaders&#8221; online because the population is larger. At a club there&#8217;s a committee and &#8216;the old guys&#8217; and I guess people are intimidated into not organising things. That&#8217;s one reason I&#8217;m organising a photowalk for June 8th <img src='http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: davy</title>
		<link>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13471</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13471</guid>
					<description>Wow! looks like you win the prize for most considered comment on me blog  ;-)
Thanks for taking the time on such a thoughtful reply.

Totally agree that camera clubs ought to be in a position to benefit greatly form even modest engagement in current Social sharing activities, surprising that they are so poorly represented on the web. Even more so by the fact that photographers are, by their nature, usually gadget freaks too.

I've no doubt there are wonderful photographers in some of the local clubs, just found it hard to find 'em. I did think the 'meta' photo organisations would have had some sort of online database of member clubs, but again not easy to find any useful resources.

Oddly though, I have had more 'real-world' contact with photographers from the past few Flickr meets than in the last few years from any offline activities! So Flickr is really working for me - and across the whole of Ireland. I would never have had the pleasure of meeting the Dublin photographers if not for Flickr.
I would even consider expanding my physical contacts on Flickr across UK too, it's not that expensive to get there, if so inclined.
Saw a Flickr London meet organised by some folks who took the train from St. Pancreas station to Paris for a special night-time photography shoot - dusk til dawn style. I like that idea. I would really love to get to Cork too, the cheap flight idea that Phil is musing over sounds great. I spent a lot of time travelling around Ireland and I still think it's one of the most beautiful places to take photographs, there's a lot of places I still want to visit.

I have not ruled out contacting my local camera clubs, but there's the rub - in our 'time-poor' society those not visible on the web make it harder, and less likely, to find them. Ya can't Google offline organisations!

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! looks like you win the prize for most considered comment on me blog  <img src='http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Thanks for taking the time on such a thoughtful reply.</p>
<p>Totally agree that camera clubs ought to be in a position to benefit greatly form even modest engagement in current Social sharing activities, surprising that they are so poorly represented on the web. Even more so by the fact that photographers are, by their nature, usually gadget freaks too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no doubt there are wonderful photographers in some of the local clubs, just found it hard to find &#8216;em. I did think the &#8216;meta&#8217; photo organisations would have had some sort of online database of member clubs, but again not easy to find any useful resources.</p>
<p>Oddly though, I have had more &#8216;real-world&#8217; contact with photographers from the past few Flickr meets than in the last few years from any offline activities! So Flickr is really working for me - and across the whole of Ireland. I would never have had the pleasure of meeting the Dublin photographers if not for Flickr.<br />
I would even consider expanding my physical contacts on Flickr across UK too, it&#8217;s not that expensive to get there, if so inclined.<br />
Saw a Flickr London meet organised by some folks who took the train from St. Pancreas station to Paris for a special night-time photography shoot - dusk til dawn style. I like that idea. I would really love to get to Cork too, the cheap flight idea that Phil is musing over sounds great. I spent a lot of time travelling around Ireland and I still think it&#8217;s one of the most beautiful places to take photographs, there&#8217;s a lot of places I still want to visit.</p>
<p>I have not ruled out contacting my local camera clubs, but there&#8217;s the rub - in our &#8216;time-poor&#8217; society those not visible on the web make it harder, and less likely, to find them. Ya can&#8217;t Google offline organisations!</p>
<p>Cheers.
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		<title>by: Donncha O Caoimh</title>
		<link>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13437</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 18:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13437</guid>
					<description>I think most camera clubs have a very bad online presence. Until I joined Mallow Camera Club they didn't even have a website. Now they're running a WordPress blog there and are the envy of some other clubs! There's an opening there for some enterprising business. Unfortunately clubs don't have much money so it might not be very lucrative.

Anyway, I fear that many of the members of camera clubs around the country are probably not very aware of the online world. When I gave a presentation of &quot;educational sites&quot; a few weeks ago, not many people had actually heard of Flickr! Clubs struggle to come up with original material when it's already done for them online but they don't know it! It baffled me when someone repeatedly asked for more tutorials and learning sessions. All this stuff was online on Flickr and blogs!
A great thing about clubs is the social aspect of meeting a group of people every week or fortnight. All the photos on Flickr might be inspiring but when you see the amazing images taken by a guy sitting next to you in a cold hall it's really motivating.

Of course, Flickr is full of those who are familiar with the online world and that includes everyone who reads this. You live and breath this stuff every day. You twitter and blog and organise meets but there's a disadvantaged offline world that don't know about all this stuff. It's an exclusive club I'm afraid, and missing out on a huge wealth of photographic talent.

As I started to ramble there a bit, here's a summary - camera clubs and Flickr are separate entities. Don't make the mistake of living in one without at least experiencing the other.

*phew*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most camera clubs have a very bad online presence. Until I joined Mallow Camera Club they didn&#8217;t even have a website. Now they&#8217;re running a WordPress blog there and are the envy of some other clubs! There&#8217;s an opening there for some enterprising business. Unfortunately clubs don&#8217;t have much money so it might not be very lucrative.</p>
<p>Anyway, I fear that many of the members of camera clubs around the country are probably not very aware of the online world. When I gave a presentation of &#8220;educational sites&#8221; a few weeks ago, not many people had actually heard of Flickr! Clubs struggle to come up with original material when it&#8217;s already done for them online but they don&#8217;t know it! It baffled me when someone repeatedly asked for more tutorials and learning sessions. All this stuff was online on Flickr and blogs!<br />
A great thing about clubs is the social aspect of meeting a group of people every week or fortnight. All the photos on Flickr might be inspiring but when you see the amazing images taken by a guy sitting next to you in a cold hall it&#8217;s really motivating.</p>
<p>Of course, Flickr is full of those who are familiar with the online world and that includes everyone who reads this. You live and breath this stuff every day. You twitter and blog and organise meets but there&#8217;s a disadvantaged offline world that don&#8217;t know about all this stuff. It&#8217;s an exclusive club I&#8217;m afraid, and missing out on a huge wealth of photographic talent.</p>
<p>As I started to ramble there a bit, here&#8217;s a summary - camera clubs and Flickr are separate entities. Don&#8217;t make the mistake of living in one without at least experiencing the other.</p>
<p>*phew*
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		<title>by: davy</title>
		<link>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13371</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 13:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I know what you mean. I've had an account for a long time, but only upgraded to Pro a while ago, still figuring it out. Useful for making a name for yourself across the Flickrverse/web, I know some pro shooters who use it as their portfolio. It will help in improving traffic to your blog, but hard to say by how much.
Best thing from it for me so far has been meeting all these new folks who are big into Photography.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean. I&#8217;ve had an account for a long time, but only upgraded to Pro a while ago, still figuring it out. Useful for making a name for yourself across the Flickrverse/web, I know some pro shooters who use it as their portfolio. It will help in improving traffic to your blog, but hard to say by how much.<br />
Best thing from it for me so far has been meeting all these new folks who are big into Photography.</p>
<p>Cheers.
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		<title>by: McAWilliams</title>
		<link>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13320</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13320</guid>
					<description>I have to say I need to spend more time with Flickr, I still dont know what the hype is all about, I dont use it for my webpage and have learnt very little from it.

Am I missing something here???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I need to spend more time with Flickr, I still dont know what the hype is all about, I dont use it for my webpage and have learnt very little from it.</p>
<p>Am I missing something here???
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		<title>by: Nathalie</title>
		<link>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13279</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13279</guid>
					<description>Hi Davey! Lovely to meet you and get to ogle your fab flash equipment!
I totally agree that Flickr is the new camera club! I've learned so much through it and have found some fab, inspiring photographers. 
I had a brilliant time at the photomeet, would definitely do it again - maybe a trip up north next time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Davey! Lovely to meet you and get to ogle your fab flash equipment!<br />
I totally agree that Flickr is the new camera club! I&#8217;ve learned so much through it and have found some fab, inspiring photographers.<br />
I had a brilliant time at the photomeet, would definitely do it again - maybe a trip up north next time?
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		<title>by: davy</title>
		<link>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13275</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 12:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13275</guid>
					<description>Thanks Phil, really need to be blogging a lot more - Curse you Twitter!
Hope to make it Sat, hope the weather improves though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Phil, really need to be blogging a lot more - Curse you Twitter!<br />
Hope to make it Sat, hope the weather improves though.
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		<title>by: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13273</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 11:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.davymac.com/wordpress/2008/05/22/flickr-is-the-new-camera-club/#comment-13273</guid>
					<description>Good job on the new post. 
See you on Sat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job on the new post.<br />
See you on Sat?
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